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==Overview== | {{TOCright}} | ||
== Overview == | |||
A player or [[critter]]'s '''Perception''' is simply the maximum distance, measured in feet, at which it can detect hostile targets. For players, it also affects the maximum distance at which targeted powers can be used against that enemy. Critters aren't limited this way. Once a critter becomes aggressive toward something, its AI remains aware of that target's exact location and can chase and attack it regardless of perception until it reverts to peaceful. | |||
The '''Stealth''' of a target reduces the radius at which an enemy can see the target, making it possible for up-close sneak attacks. The [[Stalker]] [[archetype]] often relies on attacking from [[Stalker#Hiding|Hide]], which is an alternate form of stealth unique to the Stalker archetype. | |||
:'''Example:''' Normally, if {{Character}} stood 45 feet from a [[Trolls|Troll]], he would need a perception radius of 45 feet to notice she was there. If {{Character}} had a stealth radius of 35 feet, he would need a perception radius of 80 feet to detect her. Or in other words, {{Character}} could stand up to 10 feet away from the Troll and not be seen; however, the Troll would see her if she moved any closer. | |||
If {{Character}} has as much stealth as, or more stealth than, the perception of the enemy, {{Character}} will be invisible no matter how close she gets. | |||
Everything has some amount of perception to begin with. The exact amount varies greatly: | |||
* Minion, pet, [[Mastermind]] henchmen (all tiers): 45 | * Minion, pet, [[Mastermind]] henchmen (all tiers): 45 | ||
* Lieutenant: 50 | * Lieutenant: 50 | ||
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* Turret, [[Giant Monster]]: 100 | * Turret, [[Giant Monster]]: 100 | ||
* [[Sniper]]: 149 | * [[Sniper]]: 149 | ||
* player: | * Player: 500 | ||
Nothing has any stealth radius inherently. It must be granted by powers. | |||
Notice that players have much higher perception than critters do. Because of this, all stealth powers have two values, one that applies to critters and one that applies to other players. | |||
== Ignoring Stealth == | |||
[[Sniper]]s, like all enemies, will attack a character as soon as they can see the character (also called their "[[aggro]] radius") - if the character has no stealth, this means from 149 feet away instead of the standard 45 feet. This is due to their extra perception radius. They do not ignore stealth, they simply can see farther, canceling out some of the stealth radius a character may have. | |||
However, there ''are'' enemies which ignore stealth. The enemy will not react to a player using no stealth from a further distance (as enemies with higher base perception, or perception buffs will), but as soon as a stealthed player is in range, the stealth-ignoring enemy will attack regardless. Enemies which ignore stealth completely include: | |||
* [[Rikti#Drone|Rikti Drones]] (including the Improved and Advanced Drones) | |||
* [[Soldiers of Rularuu#Watcher|Rularuu Sentries]] (all ranks: Watcher, Observer, and Overseer) | |||
* [[Knives of Artemis]] | |||
The enemies which ignore stealth all have their own legitimate reasons. Alien machines built with sophisticated scanners, otherworldly eyeball monsters, or tactical goggles, for example. | |||
There are some enemies, most notably [[Longbow#Longbow_Eagle|Longbow Eagles]] and some members of [[The Cabal]] that have a power called '''[Positioning]''' that makes these enemies appear to ignore stealth at times. These enemies are not meant to fight at melee range and Positioning forces them to move away from players. A side effect of this power is that it acts as a short range (8') Area of Effect attack. This "attack" forces stealth to suppress, allowing the enemy to see the player. | |||
== Attacking Stealthy Opponents == | |||
Stealthy opponents can be affected by powers even when they can't be detected. They simply can't be ''targeted''. [[PBAoE]] powers can hit enemies if they're in the area, as can AoEs that are aimed at a spot on the ground. Targeted and cone AoEs can also hit hidden targets if aimed at visible ones close to them. | Stealthy opponents can be affected by powers even when they can't be detected. They simply can't be ''targeted''. [[PBAoE]] powers can hit enemies if they're in the area, as can AoEs that are aimed at a spot on the ground. Targeted and cone AoEs can also hit hidden targets if aimed at visible ones close to them. A character can '''not''' [[assist]] a teammate that can see stealthy foes. | ||
===Perception Powers=== | == Powers that Utilize Stealth == | ||
Here is an example listing of the perception bonuses or penalties granted by various powers. | === Perception Powers === | ||
Here is an example listing of the perception bonuses or penalties granted by various powers. Note that [[Leadership#Tactics|Tactics]] applies its bonus to everyone on the team within line of sight and range. At least some powers that give perception bonuses vary their bonuses depending on character level. This listing is not necessarily complete. | |||
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||+141.4 – +432.5 | ||+141.4 – +432.5 | ||
|- align=center | |- align=center | ||
||Primary, secondary, and [[Ancillary Power Pools|ancillary power pool]] perception toggles, such as: [[ | ||Primary, secondary, and [[Ancillary Power Pools|ancillary power pool]] perception toggles, such as: [[Super Reflexes#Focused Senses|Focused Senses]], [[Dark Armor#Cloak of Darkness|Cloak of Darkness]], [[Ninjitsu#Danger Sense|Danger Sense]], [[Ice Armor#Glacial Armor|Glacial Armor]], [[Devices#Targeting Drone|Targeting Drone]], [[Body Mastery#Focused Accuracy|Focused Accuracy]] | ||
||+60% | ||+60% | ||
||+300 | ||+300 | ||
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||+100 | ||+100 | ||
|- align=center | |- align=center | ||
||[[ | ||[[Fire Control#Smoke|Smoke]] available to [[Controller]]s and [[Dominator]]s; [[Trick Arrow#Flash Arrow|Flash Arrow]] for [[Defender]]s, [[Mastermind]]s, [[Corruptor]]s, and Controllers; [[Devices#Smoke Grenade|Smoke Grenade]] available to Blasters and [[Arachnos Widow]]s; [[Ninjitsu#Blinding Powder|Blinding Powder]] available to Stalkers | ||
||-90% | ||-90% | ||
||-450 | ||-450 | ||
|} | |} | ||
The | The perception bonus from Tactics varies depending on the [[level]] and [[archetype]] of the character using it. See the [[Leadership]] [[Power Pools|Power Pool]] page for more details. | ||
===Stealth Powers=== | === Stealth Powers === | ||
Here is an example listing of the stealth granted by various powers. | Here is an example listing of the stealth granted by various powers. This listing is not necessarily complete. | ||
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* [[Luminous Aura#Quantum Flight|Quantum Flight]] | * [[Luminous Aura#Quantum Flight|Quantum Flight]] | ||
* [[Umbral Aura#Nebulous Form|Nebulous Form]] | * [[Umbral Aura#Nebulous Form|Nebulous Form]] | ||
|align="right"| | |align="right"|250 | ||
|align="right"| | |align="right"|25 | ||
|-valign="top" | |||
||Minor Stealth | |||
|| | |||
* [[Grant_Invisibility_(Empowerment)|Grant Invisibility]] (from<br /> | |||
[[Empowerment_Station|Empowerment Station Buff]]) | |||
|align="right"|250 | |||
|align="right"|25 | |||
|-valign="top" | |-valign="top" | ||
||Weak Stealth | ||Weak Stealth | ||
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|align="right"|300 | |align="right"|300 | ||
|align="right"|30 | |align="right"|30 | ||
|-valign="top" | |||
||PvE-Only Stealth | |||
|| | |||
* [[Speed#Super Speed|Super Speed]] | |||
|align="right"|0 | |||
|align="right"|35 | |||
|-valign="top" | |-valign="top" | ||
||Normal Stealth | ||Normal Stealth | ||
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* [[Dark Miasma#Shadow Fall|Shadow Fall]] | * [[Dark Miasma#Shadow Fall|Shadow Fall]] | ||
* [[Storm Summoning#Steamy Mist|Steamy Mist]] | * [[Storm Summoning#Steamy Mist|Steamy Mist]] | ||
* [[Devices#Cloaking_Device|Cloaking Device]] | |||
* [[Hyper Stealth]] | * [[Hyper Stealth]] | ||
|align="right"|389 | |align="right"|389 | ||
|align="right"|35 | |align="right"|35 | ||
|-valign="top" | |-valign="top" | ||
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|align="right"|50 | |align="right"|50 | ||
|-valign="top" | |-valign="top" | ||
||Invisibility | ||Invisibility † | ||
|| | || | ||
* [[Concealment#Grant_Invisibility|Grant Invisibility]] (from<br /> | |||
[[Concealment|Concealment Pool]]) | |||
* [[Concealment#Invisibility|Invisibility]] | * [[Concealment#Invisibility|Invisibility]] | ||
* [[Combat Invisibility]] | * [[Combat Invisibility]] | ||
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|align="right"|55 | |align="right"|55 | ||
|-valign="top" | |-valign="top" | ||
||Group Invisibility | ||Group Invisibility † | ||
|| | || | ||
* [[Illusion Control#Group Invisibility|Group Invisibility]] | * [[Illusion Control#Group Invisibility|Group Invisibility]] | ||
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|align="right"|60 | |align="right"|60 | ||
|-valign="top" | |-valign="top" | ||
||Hide | ||Shadowy Presence † | ||
|| | |||
* [[Inherent_Powers#Shadowy_Presence|Shadowy Presence]] | |||
|align="right"| 5,000 | |||
|align="right"|100 | |||
|-valign="top" | |||
||Hide ‡ | |||
|| | || | ||
* [[Stalker|Hide]] (all sets) | * [[Stalker|Hide]] (all sets) | ||
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|align="right"|150 | |align="right"|150 | ||
|-valign="top" | |-valign="top" | ||
||Superior Invisibility | ||Superior Invisibility ‡ | ||
|| | || | ||
* [[Illusion Control#Superior Invisibility|Superior Invisibility]] | * [[Illusion Control#Superior Invisibility|Superior Invisibility]] | ||
|align="right"| | |align="right"|1,000 | ||
|align="right"|200 | |align="right"|200 | ||
|+align="bottom" style="text-align: left; font-weight: normal; font-size: 90%;line-height: 110%;padding-bottom: 8px"|* Provides invisibility to [[Minion]]s and [[Lieutenant]]s | |+align="bottom" style="text-align: left; font-weight: normal; font-size: 90%;line-height: 110%;padding-bottom: 8px"|* Provides invisibility to [[Minion]]s and [[Lieutenant]]s. | ||
<br> | <br />† Provides invisibility to [[Minion]]s, [[Lieutenant]]s, [[Boss]]es, [[Elite Boss]]es, and [[Archvillain]]s. | ||
<br> | <br />‡ Provides invisibility to [[Minion]]s, [[Lieutenant]]s, [[Boss]]es, [[Elite Boss]]es, [[Archvillain]]s, Turrets, [[Giant Monster]]s, and [[Sniper]]s. | ||
|} | |} | ||
'''NOTE:''' Although Superior Invisibility provides 1000 feet of PvP stealth, the power is only available to [[Controller]]s, and the Controller PvP stealth cap is 571.5. While the extra 428.5 feet can act as a buffer to -Stealth powers such as [[Ice Control#Arctic Air|Arctic Air]], it would require 13 stacks of Arctic Air to go below a Controller's stealth cap. | |||
== | === Stacking Stealth === | ||
Stealth power stacking was altered in [[Issue_27_Page_5#Stealth_Toggle_Exclusivity_Removal]]. Toggles with a stealth component are no longer mutually exclusive but cannot stack, only the highest value applies. | |||
Stealth from these toggles can still be stacked with non-toggle sources of stealth, such as: | |||
[[Stealth IOs]] | |||
[[Grant_Invisibility]] from the Concealment power pool | |||
[[Group_Invisibility]] from the Illusion power set | |||
[[Grant_Invisibility_(Empowerment)]] the SG Base empowerment buff | |||
== Maximums and Minimums == | |||
See the article on [[Limits#Stealth and Perception|Limits]] to for more information about maximum and minimum values for stealth and perception. | |||
[[Category:Gameplay]] | [[Category:Gameplay]] |
Latest revision as of 19:53, 7 November 2023
Overview
A player or critter's Perception is simply the maximum distance, measured in feet, at which it can detect hostile targets. For players, it also affects the maximum distance at which targeted powers can be used against that enemy. Critters aren't limited this way. Once a critter becomes aggressive toward something, its AI remains aware of that target's exact location and can chase and attack it regardless of perception until it reverts to peaceful.
The Stealth of a target reduces the radius at which an enemy can see the target, making it possible for up-close sneak attacks. The Stalker archetype often relies on attacking from Hide, which is an alternate form of stealth unique to the Stalker archetype.
- Example: Normally, if Character stood 45 feet from a Troll, he would need a perception radius of 45 feet to notice she was there. If Character had a stealth radius of 35 feet, he would need a perception radius of 80 feet to detect her. Or in other words, Character could stand up to 10 feet away from the Troll and not be seen; however, the Troll would see her if she moved any closer.
If Character has as much stealth as, or more stealth than, the perception of the enemy, Character will be invisible no matter how close she gets.
Everything has some amount of perception to begin with. The exact amount varies greatly:
- Minion, pet, Mastermind henchmen (all tiers): 45
- Lieutenant: 50
- Boss, Elite Boss, Archvillain/Hero: 54
- Turret, Giant Monster: 100
- Sniper: 149
- Player: 500
Nothing has any stealth radius inherently. It must be granted by powers.
Notice that players have much higher perception than critters do. Because of this, all stealth powers have two values, one that applies to critters and one that applies to other players.
Ignoring Stealth
Snipers, like all enemies, will attack a character as soon as they can see the character (also called their "aggro radius") - if the character has no stealth, this means from 149 feet away instead of the standard 45 feet. This is due to their extra perception radius. They do not ignore stealth, they simply can see farther, canceling out some of the stealth radius a character may have.
However, there are enemies which ignore stealth. The enemy will not react to a player using no stealth from a further distance (as enemies with higher base perception, or perception buffs will), but as soon as a stealthed player is in range, the stealth-ignoring enemy will attack regardless. Enemies which ignore stealth completely include:
- Rikti Drones (including the Improved and Advanced Drones)
- Rularuu Sentries (all ranks: Watcher, Observer, and Overseer)
- Knives of Artemis
The enemies which ignore stealth all have their own legitimate reasons. Alien machines built with sophisticated scanners, otherworldly eyeball monsters, or tactical goggles, for example.
There are some enemies, most notably Longbow Eagles and some members of The Cabal that have a power called [Positioning] that makes these enemies appear to ignore stealth at times. These enemies are not meant to fight at melee range and Positioning forces them to move away from players. A side effect of this power is that it acts as a short range (8') Area of Effect attack. This "attack" forces stealth to suppress, allowing the enemy to see the player.
Attacking Stealthy Opponents
Stealthy opponents can be affected by powers even when they can't be detected. They simply can't be targeted. PBAoE powers can hit enemies if they're in the area, as can AoEs that are aimed at a spot on the ground. Targeted and cone AoEs can also hit hidden targets if aimed at visible ones close to them. A character can not assist a teammate that can see stealthy foes.
Powers that Utilize Stealth
Perception Powers
Here is an example listing of the perception bonuses or penalties granted by various powers. Note that Tactics applies its bonus to everyone on the team within line of sight and range. At least some powers that give perception bonuses vary their bonuses depending on character level. This listing is not necessarily complete.
Power Name | Percentage Modifier | Absolute Modifier |
---|---|---|
Tactics (bonus increases at higher levels, and varies with different ATs) | +28.28% – +86.5% | +141.4 – +432.5 |
Primary, secondary, and ancillary power pool perception toggles, such as: Focused Senses, Cloak of Darkness, Danger Sense, Glacial Armor, Targeting Drone, Focused Accuracy | +60% | +300 |
Rectified Reticle: Increased Perception, a unique To Hit Buff set crafted enhancement | +20% | +100 |
Smoke available to Controllers and Dominators; Flash Arrow for Defenders, Masterminds, Corruptors, and Controllers; Smoke Grenade available to Blasters and Arachnos Widows; Blinding Powder available to Stalkers | -90% | -450 |
The perception bonus from Tactics varies depending on the level and archetype of the character using it. See the Leadership Power Pool page for more details.
Stealth Powers
Here is an example listing of the stealth granted by various powers. This listing is not necessarily complete.
Power Grouping | Example Powers | PvP Stealth | PvE Stealth |
---|---|---|---|
Phase Shift | 250 | 25 | |
Minor Stealth |
|
250 | 25 |
Weak Stealth | 300 | 30 | |
PvE-Only Stealth | 0 | 35 | |
Normal Stealth | 389 | 35 | |
Better Stealth | 400 | 40 | |
Excellent Stealth * | 500 | 50 | |
Invisibility † |
|
611 | 55 |
Group Invisibility † | 667 | 60 | |
Shadowy Presence † | 5,000 | 100 | |
Hide ‡ |
|
500 | 150 |
Superior Invisibility ‡ | 1,000 | 200 |
NOTE: Although Superior Invisibility provides 1000 feet of PvP stealth, the power is only available to Controllers, and the Controller PvP stealth cap is 571.5. While the extra 428.5 feet can act as a buffer to -Stealth powers such as Arctic Air, it would require 13 stacks of Arctic Air to go below a Controller's stealth cap.
Stacking Stealth
Stealth power stacking was altered in Issue_27_Page_5#Stealth_Toggle_Exclusivity_Removal. Toggles with a stealth component are no longer mutually exclusive but cannot stack, only the highest value applies.
Stealth from these toggles can still be stacked with non-toggle sources of stealth, such as:
Grant_Invisibility from the Concealment power pool
Group_Invisibility from the Illusion power set
Grant_Invisibility_(Empowerment) the SG Base empowerment buff
Maximums and Minimums
See the article on Limits to for more information about maximum and minimum values for stealth and perception.