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== Formatting ==
== Formatting ==
Yow.  I'm thinking we need to take a look into alternate formatting options for those tables. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 01:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Yow.  I'm thinking we need to take a look into alternate formatting options for those tables. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 01:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
: What about something like this. I imagine someone with more wiki-fu could cleanup the formatting but I think this illustrates the basic idea. [[User:CmdrAdeon|CmdrAdeon]] 01:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Like I said in the edit comment, it was just a quickie. As in, for example. Just to get information in there for display. ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 05:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
== [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Cardiac_VeryRare.png]] Formatting Layout 1 ==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;
! Boost Name !! ED Bypass !! Level Shift !! Endurance Reduction !! Range !! Resistance !! Fear Duration !! Sleep Duration !! Intagibility Duration
|-
| Cardiac Boost
| One-Sixth
| No
| 33%
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| Cardiac Radial Boost
| One-Third
| No
| 33%
|
| 20%
|
|
|
|-
| Cardiac Radial Paragon
| Two-Thirds
| Yes
| 33%
| 20%
| 20%
| 33%
| 33%
| 33%
|}
~ [[User:CmdrAdeon|CmdrAdeon]] 01:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
== [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Cardiac_VeryRare.png]] Formatting Layout 2 ==
''Hover over icons for more details.''
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;" width="100%"
! width="10%" |   !! width="10%" | Boost !! width="10%" | Core Boost !! width="10%" | Radial Boost !! width="10%" | Total Core Revamp !! width="10%" | Partial Core Revamp !! width="10%" | Partial Radial Revamp !! width="10%" | Total Radial Revamp !! width="10%" | Core Paragon !! width="10%" | Radial Paragon
|-
! Rarity
| {{BoostRarity|C|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|U|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|U|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|VR|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|VR|Cardiac}}
|-
! Primary
| {{BoostType|type=Endurance Cost|amt=33}} || {{BoostType|type=Endurance Cost|amt=33}} || {{BoostType|type=Endurance Cost|amt=33}} || {{BoostType|type=Endurance Cost|amt=45}} || {{BoostType|type=Endurance Cost|amt=33}} || {{BoostType|type=Endurance Cost|amt=33}} || {{BoostType|type=Endurance Cost|amt=33}} || {{BoostType|type=Endurance Cost|amt=45}} || {{BoostType|type=Endurance Cost|amt=33}}
|-
! Secondary
| {{BoostType|type=none}} || {{BoostType|type=Range|amt=20}} || {{BoostType|type=Damage Resistance|amt=20}} || {{BoostType|type=Range|amt=20}} || {{BoostType|type=Range|amt=20}}<br />{{BoostType|type=Damage Resistance|amt=20}} || {{BoostType|type=Range|amt=10}}<br />{{BoostType|type=Damage Resistance|amt=20}} || {{BoostType|type=Range|amt=10}}<br />{{BoostType|type=Damage Resistance|amt=20}} || {{BoostType|type=Range|amt=20}}<br />{{BoostType|type=Damage Resistance|amt=20}} || {{BoostType|type=Range|amt=20}}<br />{{BoostType|type=Damage Resistance|amt=20}}
|-
! Tertiary
| {{BoostType|type=none}} || {{BoostType|type=none}} || {{BoostType|type=none}} || {{BoostType|type=none}} || {{BoostType|type=none}} || {{BoostType|type=Fear Duration|amt=33}} || {{BoostType|type=Sleep Duration|amt=33}} || {{BoostType|type=none}} || {{BoostType|type=Fear Duration|amt=33}}<br />{{BoostType|type=Sleep Duration|amt=33}}<br />{{BoostType|type=Intangibility Duration|amt=33}}
|-
! ED Bypass
| {{FracImg|one-sixth}} || {{FracImg|one-third}} || {{FracImg|one-third}} || {{FracImg|one-half}} || {{FracImg|one-half}} || {{FracImg|one-half}} || {{FracImg|one-half}} || {{FracImg|two-thirds}} || {{FracImg|two-thirds}}
|-
! Level Shift
| {{Checkmark|No}} || {{Checkmark|No}} || {{Checkmark|No}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}}
|}
~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 19:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:I'm a fan of this layout.  It manages to incorporate all of the info in Layout 1 and provide it in an "at-a-glance" format.  Just one question:  are those icons extracted/copied from the web site or taken from screenshots (as in, do we need to grab cleaner versions when we we can?) --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 00:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. I saved the Alpha Slot Boost images from the website, and then for rarity I photoshopped them into different colors. We need better images for the bases once they're available. I saved them from the website, which is built for a black background, so they look kind of trashy against a white background. The fraction pies and cross/check marks I made myself out of public domain clip-art. (Just noticed I forgot to give the fraction pies a transparent background...) ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 00:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
::I like it, it covers the basics and we can easily expand it to include the crafting requirements when those become known. My only quibble would by the ED bypass symbols. I can understand them since I know what the values already are but for someone not familiar with the system I think they'd be confusing. I would suggest just putting text there rather than pictures, I think it'll be less confusing. [[User:CmdrAdeon|CmdrAdeon]] 00:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Added text to the images similar to the Pri/Sec/Ter trailing amounts. ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 00:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
: I like a lot of things about the layout. It's clear and concise and I like some of the style choices you made (such as the checkboxes, which could potentially get good use elsewhere on the wiki as well). However, I do have two bits of feedback to consider:
:* The color coding for rarity needs to go. The game already color codes these icons for a different purpose. Adding a competing color coding on the same icons in the same context is just plain confusing. The game differentiates rarity with the style of the icon instead of its color. Use the set-appropriate icons, or perhaps use a grayscale version. Perhaps super-impose the text on top of them with a graphics program (ie. "Rare" overlaid on top of the icon) if you do not feel they differentiate well enough at that scale.
:* The fraction circles are ambiguous to interpret visually. You intend white to be treated as the foreground (filled in part). However, if the numeric fractions weren't alongside, I would have interpreted black as the foreground here since the page background is white. It sounds like you plan to remake these? If you do, consider a different color scheme. Perhaps use a primary color to represent the foreground, and a low-saturation color to represent the background? I'm not sure if that'd look good or not, just an idea.
: Anyway, good job coming up with a clean tabular style for them. -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 03:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::Changed up the rarity code to use the implemented rarity icons. Not sure if they're visually different enough, but there ''is'' hover text on them, and they're displayed up top with text labels, so they should be good enough unless someone else can come up with a better idea. I was going with rarity color coding because it's easier "at a glance" telling between two colors instead of looking at the filigree on a 24px icon.
::I am fiddling in Photoshop with the fraction pies still. I haven't come up with something I like yet.
::~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 06:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
== Vertical Alignment ==
''Arbitrary conversation break -Agge''
::Very nice work on the tables.  :D  It's a pity the numbers shift the icons out of vertical alignment though.  [[User:Sera404|Sera404]] 05:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::There's probably a way to "weight" that field to the right a little to center the icons and have the text be out of vertical alignment, but I have no idea how to do it. ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 06:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::: Weighting it's not as easy as one might expect. I tried doing transparent text, but that doesn't work in MSIE. Instead, I did a weird trick with tables, but it'll only work if your browser width is pretty wide. Fortunately, it doesn't seem to ''hurt'' on narrower browser widths, so I applied it. -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 01:08, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
It apparently didn't work at all. Not 100% sure what you were trying, but whatever it was doesn't show up in my FF3.6.3. ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 06:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
: Darn! I checked MSIE and Chrome, but not Firefox. I assumed if Chrome worked, Firefox would -- guess ''that'' was a false assumption. I just checked in Firefox and it doesn't work in mine either. I have no idea why. I'm out of cross-browser fixes to try. Do we want to keep this since it works in Chrome & MSIE, or revert back so they're all consistent? -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 17:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::Consistency would probably be best, just so that if folks switch browsers they're not left wondering why the display is different in one vs the others. ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 03:33, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::: Sounds good. I reverted it back. -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 03:44, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:: Aha! I found a solution that works in all three! And I created a template for it so it can be used elsewhere: {{tl|CenterAlignIcon}} -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 03:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
== Fraction Pies ==
''Cut-and-pasted out of the above exchange. -Agge''
:The fraction circles are ambiguous to interpret visually. You intend white to be treated as the foreground (filled in part). However, if the numeric fractions weren't alongside, I would have interpreted black as the foreground here since the page background is white. It sounds like you plan to remake these? If you do, consider a different color scheme. Perhaps use a primary color to represent the foreground, and a low-saturation color to represent the background? I'm not sure if that'd look good or not, just an idea.
:-- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 03:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::I am fiddling in Photoshop with the fraction pies still. I haven't come up with something I like yet.
::~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 06:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::I twiddled around with the pies a little. Brought in transparency, light-yellow for the "foreground", dark-yellow for the "background". I tried one with a low saturation (making it whiter-but-not-white) but it looks very weird. Could possibly switch the two colors (dark-yellow for foreground, light-yellow for background). I'm also not "married" to having yellow by "THE" color. It was just the first color that clicked a little when I was fiddling. ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 07:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
{|
|-
| Sixths-1.png GREEN means GO, RED means STOP
|-
| Sixths-2.png it's on a white background so the black stands out
|-
| Sixths-3.png saturated vs unsaturated
|-
| Sixths-4.png ParagonWiki's style colors :)
|}
More twiddling. ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 07:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
: These all still seem ambiguous to me; none of them have a clear foreground versus background. (And red vs green fails for colorblind people.) Here's a thought: why not just omit the rest of the circle? So use something like the second style (black foreground, though perhaps a more wiki-friendly color) but omit the circle outline around the empty part. That way we're only seeing the relevant part of the pie and there's nothing to be ambiguous about. None of the ED bypass values are 0 or 1 so that shouldn't be an issue. -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 15:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
{|
|-
| test1.png ParagonWiki light blue wedge
|-
| test2.png ParagonWiki dark blue wedge
|}
Probably the dark blue wedge would be better, though I really do like what I've been calling "ParagonWiki Blue" (haha). It just doesn't show up as well.
PS; The green/red one doesn't fail colorblind tests, as you claim - I made sure of that when I was testing colors. The green is a different saturation level and brightness vs the dark red, which according to [http://vischeck.com Vischeck's] colorblind checker shows up just fine - goldenrod for green and dark goldenrod for red. ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 00:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
: I like these much better! Dark blue probably'll work better though I agree in finding the light blue generally more appealing. As for the PS, you missed my point on why the green/red one fails. Vischeck only tells you that a colorblind person can ''differentiate'' the two colors. That doesn't mean a colorblind person can ''identify'' them. "GREEN means GO, RED means STOP", but which one is green? I'm colorblind, and it fails ''my'' colorblindness test. :P -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 01:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
== Images ==
Turns out, I uploaded the images back in August when the NDA on the beta was lifted.
[[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Blank.png]]
[[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Cardiac_Common.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Cardiac_Uncommon.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Cardiac_Rare.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Cardiac_VeryRare.png]]
[[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Musculature_Common.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Musculature_Uncommon.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Musculature_Rare.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Musculature_VeryRare.png]]
[[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Nerve_Common.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Nerve_Uncommon.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Nerve_Rare.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Nerve_VeryRare.png]]
[[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Spiritual_Common.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Spiritual_Uncommon.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Spiritual_Rare.png]] [[File:Incarnate_Alpha_Spiritual_VeryRare.png]]
--[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 04:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
== Alpha Boost Recipes ==
Here are the components needed to craft the Alpha Boosts. I'll let someone else format it and place it accordingly since I don't know where it should go on the page.
Cardiac Boost (Common): Ancient Nictus Fragment (Common), Gr'ai Matter (Common), Hero 1 DNA Sample (Common)
Cardiac Core Boost (Uncommon): Cardiac Boost (Common), Dimensional Keystong (Common), Penumbra of Rularuu (Common), Vanguard DNA Metamatrix (Uncommon)
Cardiac Radial Boost (Uncommon): Cardiac Boost (Common), Gr'ai Matter (Common), Hero 1 DNA Sample (Common), Drop of the Well (Uncommon)
Musculature Boost (Common): Essence of the Incarnate (Common), Hero 1 DNA Sample (Common), Dimensional Keystone (Common)
Musculature Core Boost (Uncommon): Musculature Boost (Common), Gr'ai Matter (Common), Essence of the Incarnate (Common), Infinite Tessellation (Uncommon)
Musculature Radial Boost (Uncommon): Musculature Boost (Common), Penumbra of Rularuu (Common), Ancient Nictus Fragment (Common), Vanguard DNA Metamatrix (Uncommon)
Nerve Boost (Common): Dimensional Keystone (Common), Essence of the Incarnate (Common), Ancient Nictus Fragment (Common)
Nerve Core Boost (Uncommon): Nerve Boost (Common), Dimensional Keystone (Common), Hero 1 DNA Sample (Common), Incarnate Infused Nictus (Uncommon)
Nerve Radial Boost (Uncommon): Nerve Boost (Common), Essence of the Incarnate (Common), Penumbra of Rularuu (Common), Ifinite Tessellation (Uncommon)
Spiritual Boost (Common): Gr'ai Matter (Common), Ancient Nictus (Common), Essence of the Incarnate (Common)
Spiritual Core Boost (Uncommon): Spiritual Boost (Common), Ancient Nictus Fragment (Common), Penumbra of Rularuu (Common), Drop of the Well (Uncommon)
Spiritual Radial Boost (Uncommon): Spiritual Boost (Common), Hero 1 DNA Sample (Common), Dimensional Keystone (Common), Incarnate Infused Nictus (Uncommon)
--[[User:Riktasi|Riktasi]] 00:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hey, [[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]], are there special icons for these components? *nudge nudge wink wink* I couldn't find any in [[:Category:Salvage Icons]], but don't know if they're named differently (not beginning with Invention, or something like that). ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 00:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::Ha!  Well, that edit comment is certainly one way to get my attention.  :)
::There do appear to be a few salvage icons that aren't loaded onto the wiki, but they go back at least as far as I17's initial release.  I don't know if they'll correspond to any of the Incarnate Components, but I'll upload them anyway.  --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 01:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Here are the components that have been called out so far:
:::{|
|-
| Ancient Nictus Fragment || [[File:salvage_Lens.png]]
|-
| Gr'ai Matter || [[File:salvage_Ectoplasm.png]]
|-
| Hero 1 DNA Sample || [[File:salvage_BloodSample.png]]
|-
| Dimensional Keystone || [[File:salvage_ArcaneEssence.png]]
|-
| Penumbra of Rularuu || [[File:salvage_Etherium.png]]
|-
| Vanguard DNA Metamatrix || [[File:salvage_ArachnoidBlood.png]]
|-
| Drop of the Well || [[File:salvage_StrandofFate.png]]
|-
| Essence of the Incarnate || [[File:salvage_Spark.png]]
|-
| Infinite Tessellation || [[File:salvage_MagicalArtifact.png]]
|-
| Incarnate Infused Nictus || [[File:salvage_StableProtonium.png]]
|-
|}
:::--[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 02:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Here's two options for the crafting table. I prefer the second table, as the first table is very squished and looks kind of messy. ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 06:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
=== Formatting Table 1 ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;" width="100%"
! width="10%" | &nbsp; !! width="10%" | Boost !! width="10%" | Core Boost !! width="10%" | Radial Boost !! width="10%" | Total Core Revamp !! width="10%" | Partial Core Revamp !! width="10%" | Partial Radial Revamp !! width="10%" | Total Radial Revamp !! width="10%" | Core Paragon !! width="10%" | Radial Paragon
|-
! Rarity
| {{BoostRarity|C|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|U|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|U|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|VR|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|VR|Cardiac}}
|-
| etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc.
|-
! Crafting
| [[File:Salvage Lens.png|24px|Ancient Nictus Fragment]] [[Ancient Nictus Fragment Salvage|Ancient Nictus Fragment]]<br />
[[File:Salvage Ectoplasm.png|24px|Gr'ai Matter]] [[Gr'ai Matter Salvage|Gr'ai Matter]]<br />
[[File:Salvage BloodSample.png|24px|Hero 1 DNA Sample]] [[Hero 1 DNA Sample Salvage|Hero 1 DNA Sample]]
| {{BoostRarity|C|Cardiac}} '''Cardiac Boost'''<br />
[[File:Salvage ArcaneEssence.png|24px|Dimensional Keystone]] [[Dimensional Keystone Salvage|Dimensional Keystone]]<br />
[[File:Salvage Etherium.png|24px|Penumbra of Rularuu]] [[Penumbra of Rularuu Salvage|Penumbra of Rularuu]]<br />
[[File:Salvage ArachnoidBlood.png|24px|Vanguard DNA Metamatrix]] [[Vanguard DNA Metamatrix Salvage|Vanguard DNA Metamatrix]]
| {{BoostRarity|C|Cardiac}} '''Cardiac Boost'''<br />
[[File:Salvage Ectoplasm.png|24px|Gr'ai Matter]] [[Gr'ai Matter Salvage|Gr'ai Matter]]<br />
[[File:Salvage BloodSample.png|24px|Hero 1 DNA Sample]] [[Hero 1 DNA Sample Salvage|Hero 1 DNA Sample]]<br />
[[File:Salvage StrandofFate.png|24px|Drop of the Well]] [[Drop of the Well Salvage|Drop of the Well]]
| &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp;
|}
=== Formatting Table 2 ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;" width="100%"
! width="10%" | &nbsp; !! width="10%" | Boost !! width="10%" | Core Boost !! width="10%" | Radial Boost !! width="10%" | Total Core Revamp !! width="10%" | Partial Core Revamp !! width="10%" | Partial Radial Revamp !! width="10%" | Total Radial Revamp !! width="10%" | Core Paragon !! width="10%" | Radial Paragon
|-
! Rarity
| {{BoostRarity|C|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|U|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|U|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|VR|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|VR|Cardiac}}
|-
| etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc.
|-
! Level Shift
| {{Checkmark|No}} || {{Checkmark|No}} || {{Checkmark|No}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}}
|}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;" width="50%"
! width="25%" | &nbsp; !! width="75%" | Crafting Requirements
|-
! {{BoostRarity|C|Cardiac}} Boost
| [[File:Salvage Lens.png|24px|Ancient Nictus Fragment]] [[Ancient Nictus Fragment Salvage|Ancient Nictus Fragment]]<br />
[[File:Salvage Ectoplasm.png|24px|Gr'ai Matter]] [[Gr'ai Matter Salvage|Gr'ai Matter]]<br />
[[File:Salvage BloodSample.png|24px|Hero 1 DNA Sample]] [[Hero 1 DNA Sample Salvage|Hero 1 DNA Sample]]
|-
! {{BoostRarity|U|Cardiac}} Core Boost
| {{BoostRarity|C|Cardiac}} '''Cardiac Boost'''<br />
[[File:Salvage ArcaneEssence.png|24px|Dimensional Keystone]] [[Dimensional Keystone Salvage|Dimensional Keystone]]<br />
[[File:Salvage Etherium.png|24px|Penumbra of Rularuu]] [[Penumbra of Rularuu Salvage|Penumbra of Rularuu]]<br />
[[File:Salvage ArachnoidBlood.png|24px|Vanguard DNA Metamatrix]] [[Vanguard DNA Metamatrix Salvage|Vanguard DNA Metamatrix]]
|-
! {{BoostRarity|U|Cardiac}} Radial Boost
| {{BoostRarity|C|Cardiac}} '''Cardiac Boost'''<br />
[[File:Salvage Ectoplasm.png|24px|Gr'ai Matter]] [[Gr'ai Matter Salvage|Gr'ai Matter]]<br />
[[File:Salvage BloodSample.png|24px|Hero 1 DNA Sample]] [[Hero 1 DNA Sample Salvage|Hero 1 DNA Sample]]<br />
[[File:Salvage StrandofFate.png|24px|Drop of the Well]] [[Drop of the Well Salvage|Drop of the Well]]
|}
I agree. My preference was for the first format but now that I actually look at it it looks kinda funky. The only comment I have on the second one is that the tables are getting kinda big. Might we want to move them off onto separate pages? [[User:CmdrAdeon|CmdrAdeon]] 17:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
=== Formatting Table 3 ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;" width="100%"
! width="10%" | &nbsp; !! width="10%" | [[Cardiac Boost|Boost]] !! width="10%" | [[Cardiac Core Boost|Core Boost]] !! width="10%" | [[Cardiac Radial Boost|Radial Boost]] !! width="10%" | Total Core Revamp !! width="10%" | Partial Core Revamp !! width="10%" | Partial Radial Revamp !! width="10%" | Total Radial Revamp !! width="10%" | Core Paragon !! width="10%" | Radial Paragon
|-
! Rarity
| {{BoostRarity|C|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|U|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|U|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|R|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|VR|Cardiac}} || {{BoostRarity|VR|Cardiac}}
|-
| etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc. || etc.
|-
! Level Shift
| {{Checkmark|No}} || {{Checkmark|No}} || {{Checkmark|No}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}} || {{Checkmark|Yes}}
|}
Through DPL and templates, each boost has its own page with crafting requirements (and whether it's used in another boost (e.g. common)), and each component has its own page with what it's used in. I don't think the Alpha Slot article needs the crafting components in the page itself. Instead, just link to the boosts and put in a See Also for [[Incarnate Component]] and [[Incarnate Ability]] (non-existent pages as of this writing but created SOON&trade;). ~ {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 21:45, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
== Boost v. Ability ==
Because the Common and Uncommon abilities are named 'Boosts', 'boost' has been incorrectly used to describe the power that gets slotted into the Alpha Slot. 'Boost' only applies to the first two tiers. When the upper tiers become available, 'boost' will become antiquated. We should use the Devs' own term, "Abilities" for the powers that get slotted into the Alpha Slot. I've updated the language in the article to reflect that. [[User:Zombie Man|Zombie Man]] 07:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
== Musculature Partial Radial Revamp/Total Radial Revamp ==
The To Hit Debuff and Endurance Modification are swapped. Partial Radial is listed with the Endurance Modification and Total Radial is listed with the To Hit Debuff. The game's menu shows this as being the other way around. [[User:Gamer6432|Gamer6432]] 04:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
== Resilient Alpha ==
Minor edit to values that were changed in beta and that are now live - let me know if I did it wrong.  Values for Core resistance in tier 3 Total and the tier 4 should be 33%. [[User:Jaybonaut|Jaybonaut]] 03:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Also, at some point on live, To-Hit Buff was made a Secondary effect instead of Taunt and Taunt the Tertiary effect on Radial Paragon. I am completely sure this happened on live because I have a pre-shutdown (and pre-i24-beta) Mids install which reflects this change, although I don't know _when_ it happened on live - I wonder if the "godsend to tanks" arrangement with damage resistance and taunt ever made it out of beta, because I don't remember an outcry over it being changed later. [[User:Thunderforce|Thunderforce]] ([[User talk:Thunderforce|talk]]) 09:18, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 09:18, 29 April 2020

Formatting

Yow. I'm thinking we need to take a look into alternate formatting options for those tables. --Eabrace Healthbar notify phone.png 01:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

What about something like this. I imagine someone with more wiki-fu could cleanup the formatting but I think this illustrates the basic idea. CmdrAdeon 01:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Like I said in the edit comment, it was just a quickie. As in, for example. Just to get information in there for display. ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 05:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Incarnate Alpha Cardiac VeryRare.png Formatting Layout 1

Boost Name ED Bypass Level Shift Endurance Reduction Range Resistance Fear Duration Sleep Duration Intagibility Duration
Cardiac Boost One-Sixth No 33%
Cardiac Radial Boost One-Third No 33% 20%
Cardiac Radial Paragon Two-Thirds Yes 33% 20% 20% 33% 33% 33%

~ CmdrAdeon 01:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Incarnate Alpha Cardiac VeryRare.png Formatting Layout 2

Hover over icons for more details.

  Boost Core Boost Radial Boost Total Core Revamp Partial Core Revamp Partial Radial Revamp Total Radial Revamp Core Paragon Radial Paragon
Rarity Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown
Primary 33%Endurance Cost 33%Endurance Cost 33%Endurance Cost 45%Endurance Cost 33%Endurance Cost 33%Endurance Cost 33%Endurance Cost 45%Endurance Cost 33%Endurance Cost
Secondary None 20%Range 20%Damage Resistance 20%Range 20%Range
20%Damage Resistance		 10%Range
20%Damage Resistance		 10%Range
20%Damage Resistance		 20%Range
20%Damage Resistance		 20%Range
20%Damage Resistance
Tertiary None None None None None 33%Fear Duration 33%Sleep Duration None 33%Fear Duration
33%Sleep Duration
33%Intangibility Duration
ED Bypass 1⁄6One-Sixth 1⁄3One-Third 1⁄3One-Third 1⁄2One-Half 1⁄2One-Half 1⁄2One-Half 1⁄2One-Half 2⁄3Two-Thirds 2⁄3Two-Thirds
Level Shift No No No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes

~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 19:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm a fan of this layout. It manages to incorporate all of the info in Layout 1 and provide it in an "at-a-glance" format. Just one question: are those icons extracted/copied from the web site or taken from screenshots (as in, do we need to grab cleaner versions when we we can?) --Eabrace Healthbar notify phone.png 00:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes. I saved the Alpha Slot Boost images from the website, and then for rarity I photoshopped them into different colors. We need better images for the bases once they're available. I saved them from the website, which is built for a black background, so they look kind of trashy against a white background. The fraction pies and cross/check marks I made myself out of public domain clip-art. (Just noticed I forgot to give the fraction pies a transparent background...) ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 00:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I like it, it covers the basics and we can easily expand it to include the crafting requirements when those become known. My only quibble would by the ED bypass symbols. I can understand them since I know what the values already are but for someone not familiar with the system I think they'd be confusing. I would suggest just putting text there rather than pictures, I think it'll be less confusing. CmdrAdeon 00:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Added text to the images similar to the Pri/Sec/Ter trailing amounts. ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 00:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I like a lot of things about the layout. It's clear and concise and I like some of the style choices you made (such as the checkboxes, which could potentially get good use elsewhere on the wiki as well). However, I do have two bits of feedback to consider:
  • The color coding for rarity needs to go. The game already color codes these icons for a different purpose. Adding a competing color coding on the same icons in the same context is just plain confusing. The game differentiates rarity with the style of the icon instead of its color. Use the set-appropriate icons, or perhaps use a grayscale version. Perhaps super-impose the text on top of them with a graphics program (ie. "Rare" overlaid on top of the icon) if you do not feel they differentiate well enough at that scale.
  • The fraction circles are ambiguous to interpret visually. You intend white to be treated as the foreground (filled in part). However, if the numeric fractions weren't alongside, I would have interpreted black as the foreground here since the page background is white. It sounds like you plan to remake these? If you do, consider a different color scheme. Perhaps use a primary color to represent the foreground, and a low-saturation color to represent the background? I'm not sure if that'd look good or not, just an idea.
Anyway, good job coming up with a clean tabular style for them. -- Sekoia 03:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Changed up the rarity code to use the implemented rarity icons. Not sure if they're visually different enough, but there is hover text on them, and they're displayed up top with text labels, so they should be good enough unless someone else can come up with a better idea. I was going with rarity color coding because it's easier "at a glance" telling between two colors instead of looking at the filigree on a 24px icon.
I am fiddling in Photoshop with the fraction pies still. I haven't come up with something I like yet.
~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 06:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Vertical Alignment

Arbitrary conversation break -Agge

Very nice work on the tables. :D It's a pity the numbers shift the icons out of vertical alignment though. Sera404 05:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
There's probably a way to "weight" that field to the right a little to center the icons and have the text be out of vertical alignment, but I have no idea how to do it. ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 06:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Weighting it's not as easy as one might expect. I tried doing transparent text, but that doesn't work in MSIE. Instead, I did a weird trick with tables, but it'll only work if your browser width is pretty wide. Fortunately, it doesn't seem to hurt on narrower browser widths, so I applied it. -- Sekoia 01:08, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

It apparently didn't work at all. Not 100% sure what you were trying, but whatever it was doesn't show up in my FF3.6.3. ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 06:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Darn! I checked MSIE and Chrome, but not Firefox. I assumed if Chrome worked, Firefox would -- guess that was a false assumption. I just checked in Firefox and it doesn't work in mine either. I have no idea why. I'm out of cross-browser fixes to try. Do we want to keep this since it works in Chrome & MSIE, or revert back so they're all consistent? -- Sekoia 17:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Consistency would probably be best, just so that if folks switch browsers they're not left wondering why the display is different in one vs the others. ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 03:33, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good. I reverted it back. -- Sekoia 03:44, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Aha! I found a solution that works in all three! And I created a template for it so it can be used elsewhere: {{CenterAlignIcon}} -- Sekoia 03:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Fraction Pies

Cut-and-pasted out of the above exchange. -Agge

The fraction circles are ambiguous to interpret visually. You intend white to be treated as the foreground (filled in part). However, if the numeric fractions weren't alongside, I would have interpreted black as the foreground here since the page background is white. It sounds like you plan to remake these? If you do, consider a different color scheme. Perhaps use a primary color to represent the foreground, and a low-saturation color to represent the background? I'm not sure if that'd look good or not, just an idea.
-- Sekoia 03:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I am fiddling in Photoshop with the fraction pies still. I haven't come up with something I like yet.
~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 06:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I twiddled around with the pies a little. Brought in transparency, light-yellow for the "foreground", dark-yellow for the "background". I tried one with a low saturation (making it whiter-but-not-white) but it looks very weird. Could possibly switch the two colors (dark-yellow for foreground, light-yellow for background). I'm also not "married" to having yellow by "THE" color. It was just the first color that clicked a little when I was fiddling. ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 07:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Sixths-1.png GREEN means GO, RED means STOP
Sixths-2.png it's on a white background so the black stands out
Sixths-3.png saturated vs unsaturated
Sixths-4.png ParagonWiki's style colors :)

More twiddling. ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 07:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

These all still seem ambiguous to me; none of them have a clear foreground versus background. (And red vs green fails for colorblind people.) Here's a thought: why not just omit the rest of the circle? So use something like the second style (black foreground, though perhaps a more wiki-friendly color) but omit the circle outline around the empty part. That way we're only seeing the relevant part of the pie and there's nothing to be ambiguous about. None of the ED bypass values are 0 or 1 so that shouldn't be an issue. -- Sekoia 15:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


test1.png ParagonWiki light blue wedge
test2.png ParagonWiki dark blue wedge

Probably the dark blue wedge would be better, though I really do like what I've been calling "ParagonWiki Blue" (haha). It just doesn't show up as well.

PS; The green/red one doesn't fail colorblind tests, as you claim - I made sure of that when I was testing colors. The green is a different saturation level and brightness vs the dark red, which according to Vischeck's colorblind checker shows up just fine - goldenrod for green and dark goldenrod for red. ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 00:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I like these much better! Dark blue probably'll work better though I agree in finding the light blue generally more appealing. As for the PS, you missed my point on why the green/red one fails. Vischeck only tells you that a colorblind person can differentiate the two colors. That doesn't mean a colorblind person can identify them. "GREEN means GO, RED means STOP", but which one is green? I'm colorblind, and it fails my colorblindness test. :P -- Sekoia 01:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Images

Turns out, I uploaded the images back in August when the NDA on the beta was lifted.

Incarnate Alpha Blank.png Incarnate Alpha Cardiac Common.png Incarnate Alpha Cardiac Uncommon.png Incarnate Alpha Cardiac Rare.png Incarnate Alpha Cardiac VeryRare.png Incarnate Alpha Musculature Common.png Incarnate Alpha Musculature Uncommon.png Incarnate Alpha Musculature Rare.png Incarnate Alpha Musculature VeryRare.png Incarnate Alpha Nerve Common.png Incarnate Alpha Nerve Uncommon.png Incarnate Alpha Nerve Rare.png Incarnate Alpha Nerve VeryRare.png Incarnate Alpha Spiritual Common.png Incarnate Alpha Spiritual Uncommon.png Incarnate Alpha Spiritual Rare.png Incarnate Alpha Spiritual VeryRare.png

--Eabrace Healthbar notify phone.png 04:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Alpha Boost Recipes

Here are the components needed to craft the Alpha Boosts. I'll let someone else format it and place it accordingly since I don't know where it should go on the page.


Cardiac Boost (Common): Ancient Nictus Fragment (Common), Gr'ai Matter (Common), Hero 1 DNA Sample (Common)

Cardiac Core Boost (Uncommon): Cardiac Boost (Common), Dimensional Keystong (Common), Penumbra of Rularuu (Common), Vanguard DNA Metamatrix (Uncommon)

Cardiac Radial Boost (Uncommon): Cardiac Boost (Common), Gr'ai Matter (Common), Hero 1 DNA Sample (Common), Drop of the Well (Uncommon)


Musculature Boost (Common): Essence of the Incarnate (Common), Hero 1 DNA Sample (Common), Dimensional Keystone (Common)

Musculature Core Boost (Uncommon): Musculature Boost (Common), Gr'ai Matter (Common), Essence of the Incarnate (Common), Infinite Tessellation (Uncommon)

Musculature Radial Boost (Uncommon): Musculature Boost (Common), Penumbra of Rularuu (Common), Ancient Nictus Fragment (Common), Vanguard DNA Metamatrix (Uncommon)


Nerve Boost (Common): Dimensional Keystone (Common), Essence of the Incarnate (Common), Ancient Nictus Fragment (Common)

Nerve Core Boost (Uncommon): Nerve Boost (Common), Dimensional Keystone (Common), Hero 1 DNA Sample (Common), Incarnate Infused Nictus (Uncommon)

Nerve Radial Boost (Uncommon): Nerve Boost (Common), Essence of the Incarnate (Common), Penumbra of Rularuu (Common), Ifinite Tessellation (Uncommon)


Spiritual Boost (Common): Gr'ai Matter (Common), Ancient Nictus (Common), Essence of the Incarnate (Common)

Spiritual Core Boost (Uncommon): Spiritual Boost (Common), Ancient Nictus Fragment (Common), Penumbra of Rularuu (Common), Drop of the Well (Uncommon)

Spiritual Radial Boost (Uncommon): Spiritual Boost (Common), Hero 1 DNA Sample (Common), Dimensional Keystone (Common), Incarnate Infused Nictus (Uncommon)


--Riktasi 00:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Eabrace, are there special icons for these components? *nudge nudge wink wink* I couldn't find any in Category:Salvage Icons, but don't know if they're named differently (not beginning with Invention, or something like that). ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 00:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Ha! Well, that edit comment is certainly one way to get my attention.  :)
There do appear to be a few salvage icons that aren't loaded onto the wiki, but they go back at least as far as I17's initial release. I don't know if they'll correspond to any of the Incarnate Components, but I'll upload them anyway. --Eabrace Healthbar notify phone.png 01:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Here are the components that have been called out so far:
Ancient Nictus Fragment Salvage Lens.png
Gr'ai Matter Salvage Ectoplasm.png
Hero 1 DNA Sample Salvage BloodSample.png
Dimensional Keystone Salvage ArcaneEssence.png
Penumbra of Rularuu Salvage Etherium.png
Vanguard DNA Metamatrix Salvage ArachnoidBlood.png
Drop of the Well Salvage StrandofFate.png
Essence of the Incarnate Salvage Spark.png
Infinite Tessellation Salvage MagicalArtifact.png
Incarnate Infused Nictus Salvage StableProtonium.png
--Eabrace Healthbar notify phone.png 02:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


Here's two options for the crafting table. I prefer the second table, as the first table is very squished and looks kind of messy. ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 06:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Formatting Table 1

  Boost Core Boost Radial Boost Total Core Revamp Partial Core Revamp Partial Radial Revamp Total Radial Revamp Core Paragon Radial Paragon
Rarity Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
Crafting Ancient Nictus Fragment Ancient Nictus Fragment

Gr'ai Matter Gr'ai Matter
Hero 1 DNA Sample Hero 1 DNA Sample

Unknown Cardiac Boost

Dimensional Keystone Dimensional Keystone
Penumbra of Rularuu Penumbra of Rularuu
Vanguard DNA Metamatrix Vanguard DNA Metamatrix

Unknown Cardiac Boost

Gr'ai Matter Gr'ai Matter
Hero 1 DNA Sample Hero 1 DNA Sample
Drop of the Well Drop of the Well

           

Formatting Table 2

  Boost Core Boost Radial Boost Total Core Revamp Partial Core Revamp Partial Radial Revamp Total Radial Revamp Core Paragon Radial Paragon
Rarity Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
Level Shift No No No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
  Crafting Requirements
Unknown Boost Ancient Nictus Fragment Ancient Nictus Fragment

Gr'ai Matter Gr'ai Matter
Hero 1 DNA Sample Hero 1 DNA Sample

Unknown Core Boost Unknown Cardiac Boost

Dimensional Keystone Dimensional Keystone
Penumbra of Rularuu Penumbra of Rularuu
Vanguard DNA Metamatrix Vanguard DNA Metamatrix

Unknown Radial Boost Unknown Cardiac Boost

Gr'ai Matter Gr'ai Matter
Hero 1 DNA Sample Hero 1 DNA Sample
Drop of the Well Drop of the Well

I agree. My preference was for the first format but now that I actually look at it it looks kinda funky. The only comment I have on the second one is that the tables are getting kinda big. Might we want to move them off onto separate pages? CmdrAdeon 17:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Formatting Table 3

  Boost Core Boost Radial Boost Total Core Revamp Partial Core Revamp Partial Radial Revamp Total Radial Revamp Core Paragon Radial Paragon
Rarity Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
Level Shift No No No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes

Through DPL and templates, each boost has its own page with crafting requirements (and whether it's used in another boost (e.g. common)), and each component has its own page with what it's used in. I don't think the Alpha Slot article needs the crafting components in the page itself. Instead, just link to the boosts and put in a See Also for Incarnate Component and Incarnate Ability (non-existent pages as of this writing but created SOON™). ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 21:45, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Boost v. Ability

Because the Common and Uncommon abilities are named 'Boosts', 'boost' has been incorrectly used to describe the power that gets slotted into the Alpha Slot. 'Boost' only applies to the first two tiers. When the upper tiers become available, 'boost' will become antiquated. We should use the Devs' own term, "Abilities" for the powers that get slotted into the Alpha Slot. I've updated the language in the article to reflect that. Zombie Man 07:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Musculature Partial Radial Revamp/Total Radial Revamp

The To Hit Debuff and Endurance Modification are swapped. Partial Radial is listed with the Endurance Modification and Total Radial is listed with the To Hit Debuff. The game's menu shows this as being the other way around. Gamer6432 04:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


Resilient Alpha

Minor edit to values that were changed in beta and that are now live - let me know if I did it wrong. Values for Core resistance in tier 3 Total and the tier 4 should be 33%. Jaybonaut 03:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, at some point on live, To-Hit Buff was made a Secondary effect instead of Taunt and Taunt the Tertiary effect on Radial Paragon. I am completely sure this happened on live because I have a pre-shutdown (and pre-i24-beta) Mids install which reflects this change, although I don't know _when_ it happened on live - I wonder if the "godsend to tanks" arrangement with damage resistance and taunt ever made it out of beta, because I don't remember an outcry over it being changed later. Thunderforce (talk) 09:18, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

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