Talk:Con System

Archvillains and Heroes

What is the rank for AV's and Heroes? Their articles say +5, this article says +4. --Konoko 12:14, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Monsters

"This includes Monsters that are NOT spawned inside of instanced missions. "
An exception to this is Sally. - Snorii 14:29, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

I've seen Sally spawn as low as level 27, though not sure of her high end. --StarGeek 16:24, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

>.> Sally really shouldn't BE monster class, she's exempt from the perma purple, is one shotable with BRAWL, and is a kind and gentle thing ^^, never attacks anyone. I honestly feel bad hitting her when I try to get the badge <.< the devs probably should have given her a special class or something. --Sleepy Kitty 08:23, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

http://BryanWilliams.com/Sally_Level.jpg

EB and rikti portals

Elite Boss

stay tuned

Rikit Portal

Character: level: 49

Foes: level: 47

Screenshot: Training Room: I10 testing: Rikti War Zone

Communications Officer: regular: con color: green: (-2 minion)

Conscript: portal spawned: con color: blue: (-2 minion)

As far as layout, the page looks a little wonky now. The color bars are too darn big, take up too much of the page, and are too much "in your face". I'd recommend you shrink the width of the color table and it's cells, add words for each color at the far left with color backgrounds (or colored words with black background -- not sure which would look better), then put the conning screen shot images next, then description (get the color out of the description -- too much color!). In addition, I'd reverse the order of the con colors in the table so that AVs are on top and underlings at the bottom. It fits better with the notion that AVs are at the top of the heap and are "higher" rather than lower in power level. I know what I suggest is not exactly like the official descrption in the COH manual, but this isn't a NcSoft or Cryptic web site, and technically to do it like them is a copyright infringement. Also I miss the old descrption of the con colors. They weren't the "official" descption, but they were more or less accurate and funny to boot. Can you add those back, and also keep the official description as well? I don't recall what the old desriptions were (although I remember purple being "Mommy!" and white being "Should be a mediocre fight"). :(

Someone added a duplicate conning reference chart. Uh... kinda overkill really. We don't need 2. Delete one. Also, I'd recommend you put the conning reference chart at the bottom of the page because it combines both rank and level. It's a little out of sequence to put it before the idea of rank is introduced, and is likely to confuse people, IMHO. Also the colors in the big reference chart should be brightened up and in bold so you can see the colors better. Compare with my chart at the bottom.

I have sent a PM to _Castle_ for confirmation that the fact that Elite Bosses con as +2, the same as regular bosses, is a bug. It makes sense that it is, after all Elite Bosses are more powerful than regular bosses and less powerful than AVs. However, in a previous discussion with _Castle_, he was under the impression that EBs con as +5, the same as AVs. IMO, EBs _should_ con as either +3 or +4, but which one do we use? One of the charts uses the notion that EBs are supposed to con as +3. How does the author know this? Where's the documention that proves EBs are supposed to con +3? Until confirmation is offered, I think we should just leave EBs as they currently con, i.e., +2 (since there's so much conflicting information out there about this). A note could be added that it makes more sense for them to con as +3 or +4, and the current con color may be a bug. And besides, I doubt the conning system will get any luv from the devs anytime soon, if ever. Might be best just to show it as is is.

Excellent screen shots, BTW. I really like that addition!

Ok, in all honesty I'm surprised that I feel a little unfomfortable seeing this page that I worked so hard on to edit yesterday significantly changed today. However, I can imagine the person who edited this page after me feeling disapointed if I re-edited it... so I'm just going to let it lie. I don't want to step on anyone's toes. Feel free to use my suggestions above, as I really do think they would make the page better. Good luck.